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This stroller is pretty fancy for a Kolcraft and came with the car seat frame and reversible seat thingy. It seems all present and correct and will presumably find a new home with people sent to us by the list of craig.
These two small cast iron pans are of no particular interest unless somebody out there wants them. The square one is a no-name but quite nice and would clean up OK.
They came with a huge batch of cookware. Most of it was scrap aluminium that we put towards garbitrage. Some were Wagner Magnalite that may have some value on ebay and the remainder these two items. Cookware is strange that way, it seems that some people discard entire kitchens worth of it all at once.
These random swings showed up a while ago but we only just now got around to documenting them here. The pics are pretty self explanatory.
A Trek 220, which was really a discard/trade affair. It was traded for the aforementioned Bianchi Rollo plus some beer so we will include it here. It shall find a new home somehow.
A nice selection of offspring transportation devices this week. First off the Mountain Buggy stroller, a conveyance of substantial price. It is in fine shape and just needed a clean to be ready for sale on the list of craig.
Next up a snazzy Ingelesina Zippy psuchair, which is basically a Peg Perego Pliko. Some different features, some nice stuff, but all in good order and ready for a new owner.
We got this stainless steel sink a while ago but only recently the barbeque ash pan rusted out and we cast around for a replacement. It turns out that this standard size sink slides into the slots under the BBQ quite nicely, modulo some hammering on the alignment strips. And everybody loves hammering.
Note that this BBQ came from the scrap and is in great shape as it is all stainless, except for the ash pan that was cheapo thin zinc plated steel. We hope that with all the improvments we are making this cooking implement will outlive us.
A Spalding Blade road bike, in reasonable shape, ready for cleanup and then sale to hipsters in a large nearby city.
Next up a Raleigh Mixte road bike, in reasonable shape bar the crunched front wheel from the bucket loader packing it into the scrap metal container. Not to worry, we have a spare in stock and it shall ride again. Under the arse of some trendy character.
This Basketball Hoop is, as you can see, new in the box. We set it up so that certain small offspring could attempt to toss balls through the hoop and they seem to be entertained thus far.
These two Coleman Lamps have been used and need new mantles but otherwise seem in fine shape. They shall be deployed at the next crazy nightime weirdness event we end up at.
This Miele was dumped in the scrap metal area and one of the annoying old men had cut the power cable off for the 5 cents worth of copper therein. We inspected the innards and spliced a plug on for testing purposes and it seems to work fine.
Particularly galling is the fact that this seems to be quite an expensive (though discontinued) item, see the next pic for some demonstration of that.
For now we will replace the power cord with the correct Miele one and deploy this on the top floor of our abode to save carrying the others up there.
This random Kenmore dryer is seemingly nearly new and we are informed by the previous owner that it works fine. Available to any readers of this page and shortly to readers of the list of craig.
Yet another random Graco Duo Glider stroller, this will find a home via the list of craig like the rest of them that we have found.
These things are not the best quality but if you have two lazy offspring you need to move around they are a good basic option, we suppose.
This Britax Boulevard car seat is only a year or so old and has barely been used. The previous owners had cut the straps before discarding this predominantly plastic item in the scrap metal. We stripped it down to check for damage and such but it seems fine. We put on new straps and now we have a shiny new Britax seat.
This "cut the straps" meme is obviously a great delight to the seat manufacturers as it is fear based marketing that masquerades as concern for consumers and happens to sell more seats.
This green Bobby-Car seems to have been imported from Germany and used a fair bit before discard. This will be retained for a while as we have use for such things for the meantime.
Some random oak planks that might come in handy for something. Also, not shown, some 2x4s required for a project on the house.
Yet another cast iron steam heating radiator. Some friends may want this but if not then off to the list of craig with it. People in our vicinity must have heatings systems to fix or upgrade.
A Graco Pack and Play in perfect condition. It will find a new home soon we hope. It has the little wheels on the end for moving your imprisoned offspring sround. Maybe you could take them shopping in this?
Some poor chap had crunched the frame on his fancy Specialized road bike. We grabbed the carcass and stripped off no end of interesting parts, some of which are shown here.
A friend had this bike rendered surplus to requirements upon his male offspring entering the navy. We gladly took it off his hands and fixed it up a little. We may keep it and replace one of our other round town bike with it. That other bike (which appeared on this page), will get sold off to some person in a large nearby city.
These two plastic sledges (sleds to the North American speakers of English who may chance upon this page) are in OK shape and may make useful offspring amusement/transportation device when the snow comes back.
This weird Razor Scooter has a spare wheel and a set of Hex keys built in so that you can change the wheel over. Not really useful with these wheels but an interesting idea nevertheless.
These two random cast iron pans have yet to be properly investigated but may find a home. They join the stack we have in stock.
Some large number of books (some not shown here) and a strange kids' box. All good stuff.
This random Babytrend jogging stroller is in good shape and lacks nothing but a happy new owner. This deficiency will be remedied with judicious application of the list of craig.
This Dreamer Designs double jogging stroller is in fine condition. The reason for discard was that the previous owner, who had two kids already, had another one on the way and hence wanted some form of new stroller.
We may use this for a while and then let it find a new home via the list of craig.
This DVD was still in the shrinkwrap and discarded with a bag of books. Some people might think that this is some incisive metaphorical social commentary on urban unrest, or even a more literal critique of fire codes, but no. It turns out thats it is 15G or so of crappo data that some random guy on ebay in Australia will snap up promptly. Gone already.
This random Jamis hybrid has a bunch of rusty spots but very nice tyres and rides OK. It has had a quick tune up and will be given to a friend, the rusty spots should provide it with a small measure of theft protection. It had a couple of previous owner stupidity induced issues but they are fixed now.
This is a random crappy Snap-n-Go, they are really not our cup of tea but other people, especially those who cruise the list of craig, seem to love them.
This is yet another random Maclaren stroller. It had worn down rear wheels (a common issue) but we replaced them from stock. Otherwise the thing is fine and should find a new home soon.
You know how we accumulated aforementioned stock.
This is a set of Honda Accord wheels, they look to be new take-offs, with hub caps. Somebody in our vicinity will want these and that will be just fine.
This is some random cheapo Chicco stroller, but it is in good shape and Chicco have a good name so we think that somebody will want it.
This is a long awaited item and turned up thanks to Walter, our man on the spot. It is a nameless cast iron size 12 skillet with heat ring. It measures 13 inches from lip to lip and hence fits a random lid we had lying around and also perfectly complements our existing nest of cast iron pans.
Update: It is has already been cleaned and cured and we look forward to deploying it in strategic feeding manouvres. It has quite a bit of usage to go before it catches up with the deep shiny black of the rest of our cast iron, but we will do our best.
Update 2: Added the picture of it after a fair bit of use, mouse over for that.
This slightly funky thing is a Britax Verve. The previous owner were doubly clueless. The presumed reason for discard is a broken piece that stems from their inability to fold it properly. Also they had jammed open the brakes with a twig due to a cable coming out of its slot. It will be made available forthwith, having had the faults fixed.
This wooden basket-like storage container was in the scrap wood dumpster. It needed one joint gluing and a quick sand and some finish of some form (shown in the pic). Whatever was wrong with it was certainly no good reason for discard.
It seemed to have had some previous finish on it that was just not very good, so it should not have been in the scrap wood dumpster at all. That is only for untreated wood. The previous owner was not only clueless for junking something with no real reason for discard but also clueless for tossing it incorrectly!
This is yet another fine Maclaren pushchair in very nice condition and all ready for a new home. The previous Maclaren sold well so this should wander off quickly also, via the list of craig.
This Maclaren pushchair is in near perfect shape and was callously discarded in the deepest pit of landfill fodder. Rescued, a quick clean and it is ready for a new owner. They shall become known to us via the list of craig.
Update: Sold promptly to a lady who wanted to use it for a "destination wedding" in Las Vegas. While we agree that these Maclarens are handy for travelling we have to laugh at people who first figure out the need for a practical stroller when their horrible offspring reaches the age of four and a half. They had another stroller prior to this but it was of a type never supposed to be used and when they used it to go to a "Christmas Special" discovered that.
This Giant brand kids' trike is in OK shape and may amuse offspring of a certain age and/or capability, so we will give it a try.It has roller-blade style wheels, for some reason or other.
This Murray Ultra snowblower was tossed because the pull cord housing had come unmounted from the side of the engine. Note that if you hold the housing on with one hand and pull the cord with the other then it starts. It will probably be fixable with just some screws or pop-rivets. It runs a bit rough but has great compression and such so some form of carburetter adjustment will probably be in order. Either way, a nice find, approriate for the time of years and should have a long service life ahead of it.
Update: This seems to be claimed by distant family member. They get tom come and pick it up though, there is probably not a convenient flat-rate box for it.
A random wide blade snow shovel that is a little beat up but happens to be a type that we like for certain types of snow. No, we are not like apocraphyl eskimos who taxonomize 37 different types of snow. Our driveway is pretty sensitive to snow and having the exactly correct tool really helps. Pic possibly to come.
This random long skateboard is pretty beat up but we have a friend into these and small kids like to use them in manner they are not really intended for.
This Integrity Air 3000 rowing machine is nothing special but is in very good condition and seems to work fine. A possible reason for discard might be that when we found it there was a stiff link in the pull chain. This was easy to unstiffen of course. We will see what the users of the list of craig make of this.
Update: Sold to a nice chap who turned up on time. A hot item this, lots of people wanted it.
These standard issue workbench legs might prove useful if we need to bolt them to a workbench top at some stage. No apparent reason for discard.
This small plane might or not appeal to the rabid tool collectors of our acquaintance. Or it might even prove useful in the ancient art of "Making Wood Smaller" should we end up practising that art and find ourselves in need of this particular implement.
This is a small Lodge cast iron skillet that seems to have never been used in anger. There were a couple of marks but the seasoning on it seemed remarkably like that present upon initial purchase. We cleaned it a bit and deployed highest quality bacon grease and high heat to restore the seasoning. It was used in the preparation of dinner within about four hours of being found and performed admirably. Available; Magda, Trudy, JPL, Kendra?
This is yet another Calphalon 10inch non-stick omelet pan, as they call them. It has a pretty thick crusty layer akin to that that develops on cast iron pans but more importantly has a valid reason for warranty return.
Two more of the Britax booster seats. We shall have to assess the market for these in our local catchment area of the list of craig as we have enough of these. We do know that they clean up very nicely by virtue of the nature of the fabric.
A pile of books were present and we picked up some useful stuff. First some informative technical titles for a friend obsessed with mechanical watches. We have no idea if he has or needs these but he is getting them anyway. What is with a book specifically about complicated watches? Simple ones are not worth documenting?
Then some other random books:
This Dell Inspiron 9300 is missing the charger and the hard drive but otherwise seems to work fine. It may just get sold off on the eBay, but might merit some further consideration.
The pan part of this combination is a nice Wagner that was once part of a two part piece with handles that snuggled up together. The lid came as part of a trade for a campfire pot that was rescued from imminent meltage. These two seemed to form a nice pairing and when some friends chose them from the selection we had available that was a fine thing. Some cleaning and curing and we are all set to cook Czech Christmas Carp, or some other alliterative dish.
This random book seems rather useful if one is delving into the more valuable things discarded by society. We gave this to a friend as it concentrates on stuff that is way too ornate and fancy for us.
This pram is a Pedigree Brand, as seen for example in that classic of camp comedy, Carry on Nurse. It is built like a tank. It is a little scruffy in places but wheels along fine. Features to note include chrome mudguards, coil springs, nice clearance for long legs, pivoting footrest, flexible mattress, harness clips and apocalypse-proof construction. We may have to do the vintage thing with our youngest offspring for a while just to enjoy this masterpiece of perambulator engineering. This is better built than most cars, certainly if any naughty drivers give us crosswalk issues we can ram them and come away the better party.
This is yet another random Mongoose Mountain Bike. It is not so bad but it needs some tuneup and a chain. It will probably be turned into a station bike or some such. Next year's summer students, this may be your trusty steed. Pig ugly bottle cage though.
This is a pierced stainless steel grill pan thingy that you plonk on the barbeque and do your salmon or veggies in, or some such. It has a delightful patina of brown grease stain on it but that will be coming off at the first chance. Since we found that mesh pan we may not need this but we will hang on to it until we get the chance to try it out. BBQ season where art thou?
These two random bikes are almost unused. We are not exactly sure what brands they are but they seem to go together. They will be stored until spring and then cleaned up and sold off.
This is about 20 pounds of Lego. It was just dumped in a large pile in the scrap metal dump. No box was nearby. We rescued five of the blue contai9niers from the plastics recycling at the same time so it was conmventient to press them into service.
We piciked up two identical Britax Parkway booster seats. They were pretty filthy but we have already cleaned one up ready for eventual use. Here it is, all shiny and ready to go.
This random Raleigh 3-speed is pretty beat up but all its ailments seem pretty easily correctable. By next spring this will be a shiny vintage gem, ready to hold up a lazy hipster's arse.
This random assortment of crappo bikes was gathered over the last week or so and is finding a new home as a batch with a nice chap who presumably intends to fix them up etc. This is a good thing, we do not have the time or inclination to return all of these to working condition and it seems that Fritz (the chap in question) does. This is the third batch of bikes he has bought off us.
This lawn mower showed up just after some friends bought their first house. That is all jolly fine, it is a bit off-season for mowing the lawn but it should come in handy next year. It got a wash and some oil in the bearings and then we set the blade a little closer.
This snorkeling mask is sized for smallish offsprings and seems to be in very nice condition. In fact it has been worn for substantial periods around the house alrady so even if they never use it underwater it has amused them enough to justify its rescue.
This small batch of smallish bikes was assembled in the last week or so and will be deployed to acquaintances or sold off. Too much inventory on the bike front is not good over the winter.
Update: This batch was sold off to a nice chap named Fritz.
This is yet another trailer bike, this one branded Instep. Presumably it is made by somebody else but it will be serviced and deployed or sold as required.
This Ikea banana style cushion thingy is some kind of semi-structural toy device. We washed the cover and deployed it so that offspring could play with it while the grandparents watched over video chat. Intergenerational happiness abounds.
This random almost a set of octagonal glass cups and saucers is not something we would use a lot but is does seem to rather fit the style of Feuerzangenbowle. They shall be tested in this role as soon as we set light to come booze in our living room.
This Panasonic DX1000 road bike seems in OK shape except for air in the tyres and some dirt. It will be cleaned up and stored for springtime hipster bike mania.
A selection of items around which offspring entertainment can be deployed tuyrned up. First a random box with letters on it, you know it is educational and therefore socially acceptable if you print some letters on it! Whatever, this is handy for storing junk.
This is a pretty large Lego set, exo-force, whoever those guys are. Seems like a cheesy ripoff of Stargate but who can tell. Either way, good stuff and shall be used at some stage.
A random set of K-nex in its box is always handy for entertaining some offspring somewhere.
These Geomag thingies seem to be more executive toys but they also amuse offspring so they will be deployed in the latter role. Maybe the former also, I am sure some of our acquaintances have moods that causes them to emulate bored executives.
Random big fat Biology textbook. Too nice to leave behind.
This bike trailer thingy is in very nice shape except for the missing pedals and the seat. It might be the case that is new, unused and never properly assembled, but that is all fine. We will find the parts to complete it and find ait a nice home, possibly using the list of craig.
Throughout this year we have debated buying one of these. never knowing which one to get and such. Well, that of course was a silly activity but did serve to hold us off buying one until we get a free one, brand new, unused, from the garbage.
This will be deployed at the earliest opportunity on the BBQ when some vegetable matter needs to be charred.
This Baby Jogger jogging stroller has the large wheels, is lightweight and in near perfect shape. It still had air in the tyres. Its new owner will be made known to us once they see this item on the list of craig.
This Kool Stride double jogging stroller is in fine shape, and after air in the tyres and a quick clean is ready for a debut on the list of craig. The last one we found like this, a red one, is still with us but now we have the advantage of choice to offer.
This Anolon brand teflon wok/pan thingy is in pretty fine shape. We have no use for it but I am sure somebody out there does, even as just a disposable pan for one trip??? Bob?
While putting in a number of replacement windows we found ourselves in need of 4 5ft 2 by 4s, 3 3ft 2 by 4s and numerous smaller pieces of 5/4 x 4. On the way to the lumber yard we looked in on the scrap wood and picked up 3 5ft 5/4 x 4 and 7 or so 8-10ft 2 by 4s. Just what we wanted. We still had to proceed to the store to pick up a 2 by 6 and some insulation foam but it was quite nice that most of our needs were already met. Pic shows a random offcut of 2 by 4. Not very informative.
This first was mentioned previously in conjunction with another double jogger. It is a Kool Stride and had a small retaining pin missing on the folding mechanism. Recently we found a bike trailer that had been crushed by a bucket loader and salvaged a suitable pin from it to fix this thing. The picture shows it all clean and ready for the list of craig:
This next item is a Joovy Caboose, which for the stroller impaired is a sit-n-stand style. One of these has passed through our hands before. This one was wrapped up in brown package tape and pretty dirty. Careful application of a pressure washer (you know which one) and some cleaning materials yields the glorious device shown in the picture, ready for its grand debut on the list of craig.
This Cuisinart coffee machine was in fine shape when picked up and just needed a clean. We ran lots of vinegar through and flushed it and such, then brewed a test batch of coffee, shown here. We have no need of a coffee machine that has an LCD and beeps, luddites that we are, so this is available.
A random little cast iron steam radiator, enticing to the various users of the list of craig in this season of heating maintanance.
This Next Slumber Party bike is pretty horrendous but we can probably find some acquaintance who has an offspring that will fixate on this particular train wreck of gender stereotypes.
Update: Sold to a nice lady whose female offspring appreciated this ensemble of memes. We know she is nice because she bought stuff from us before. We like return customers, they get stuff super cheap.
This Dell LCD monitor is a the bog-standard offering that comes with their package deal and has nothing wrong with it, as testified by the fact that you can see Ray Winstone's face below. I guess somebody just bought a bigger monitor and tossed this one.
This is a lamp for shooting home movies that is pretty old, we think, but also pretty unused. It does provide substantial illumination and so may come in handy at some stage. Meanwhile we get to admire the fine packaging design.
These wheels were pulled of a partly crushed Emmaljunga pram. They will help us save some future pram or be sold off to help somebody else do so.
This Peg Perego Venezia pushchair is pretty nice and in near new condition except for the lack of a hood. We shall consult our supplies as we may have that in stock. Either way it will be heading off to new owners somehow.
This firewood storage rack is new in the box. It got a bit wet between discard and the picture you see but that should not affect the ultimate functionality of it when some friend of ours assembles and uses it. Hal?
This Fuji Sand Blaster mountain bike is pretty handy, despite technically being a mountain bike. The previous owner seems to have had some pretty wild and whacky ideas of exactly what the chain is supposed to do on a bike. This is a not a problem as we are traditionalists in this regard and once we have imposed our stodgy views upon things it should be fine.
What a stupid name for a bike, and how confusing. Sand Blaster, not Fuji.
A bookshop seemingly discarded a large pile of new books, including such things as advance reader copies and such. Possible pics later.
This Avalon twin pushchair is not the fanciest device in its class but is pretty small, lightweight, folds nicely and could be usefull for somebody. That somebody will become known to use via the list of craig.
We will be replacing some more windows soon and it was highly fortuitous that some lengths of clean 2x4 showed up. We now have them in stock and ready for miscellaneous framing purposes. No pic, you know what a 2x4 looks like.
This Schwinn Varsity road bike is in more or less new-old-stock condition except for the slightly critical absence of wheels and front brake pads. No matter, a lesser bike will have its wheels removed to put this thing back on the road under a hipster's arse.
Mouseover for the cleaned up pic.
This small Radio Flyer type thing with two seats and seatbelts seems to be almost useful for towing beer and offspring around. We shall see if it gains useful employment with our household.
This child's bed is complete and new in the box and never assembled, or presumably used. This will find a home with an acquaintance we have already or somebody we meet through the list of craig.
Two double joggers found at one time. One was missing a couple of tyres and both needed a light cleaning. Only the purple Dreamer Designs model pictured for now, the other one will probably make it way here pictorially at some stage.
This Schwinn Bike rack is new in the box and never used. Somebody will want it and that person will become known to us via the list of craig.
We found four "Randall Pottery" 1/2 hp potters' wheels like this but could only rescue one of them. It is in OK shape, heavily built and formerly the property of a local educational establishment. It works fine though needs a few screws put back in and cleanup etc. It is available, until it is sold on the list of craig.
This 6 quart 12 inch Lodge cast iron campfire pot is complete with lid and absolutely brand new and never used. It was discarded in a scrap metal recycling bin. It is vaguely available, apply if you think you are a worthy new owner. It has 3 legs on it so is not really suitable for stovetop use.
Yet another slightly different trailer bike for the purpose of offspring transportation. This one has a superior folding mechanism to the previous few but has a crappy steel wheel on the rear. It may end up being retained for usage but being improved with a few new parts along the way.
A Schwinn World Sport road bike in pretty nice shape, just needed new bar tape and a cleanup to be ready for a new owner.
A Schwinn World ladies frame road bike. It needs a bit of a cleanup and some bar tape but was easy enough to put back into service.
A Schwinn Traveller III road bike in need of c cleanup. New bar tape, a tuneup and some general attention made it good to go. No key present for the U-lock so that had to go.
This is a very early Peg Perego Pliko pushchair, we think. It is in OK shape and has a nice primary colour look to it so it should find a home somewhere with some nice people sent by the list of craig.
This is a Mercedes-Benz cylinder head bolt helicoil kit. It is obviously not all present and correct but there are two M10x1.5 taps in there that look excellent, plus one matching helicoil and an insertion tool. Handy stuff. The box is pretty spiffy also.
This Le Creuset enameled cast iron skillet seems in OK shape, it is just a little used. The interior lining seems to be intact and it has a few chips on the outside.
It is shown sitting on a Dell Pentium 4 PC but that should not necessarily be interpreted as a comment on how hot modern computing machinary runs. This particular Dell made an appearance on this page a while ago and was cleaned up and given away. We got it back because it caught something nasty, so we get to redeploy it to somewhere new after a clean up and configuration. We know of a local bike shop that has a worn out Athlon 866Mhz as their P.O.S. machine and this might be a nice upgrade for them.
Yet another nice Topeak bike seat, this one missing the special rack that allows quick-release functionality. Never mind, somebody will want it and they will make themselves known to us via the list of craig in due course.
This Murray beach Cruzer (sic) is close enough to a hybrid style bike to be useful, as opposed to regular beach cruisers. As such it will find a home with some prospective cyclist in a nearby large city. No apparent reason for discard, apart from just being crap.
We picked this up thinking there might be a market for these and indeed there is. Unfortunately it is a low value saturated market full of crud. This will be given away on the list of craig or failing that tossed out.
This handy dandy little stepladder will be hidden away in some corner until such time as we feel the need to be taller for some reason.
This random Radio Flyer peanut car is just about right for a certain offspring.
Two random boxes of fairly recent Lego stuff. These will be stored and deployed top offspring as a appropriate.
This Bianchi Rollo was missing a seat and had a dinged up front wheel. It is not the most valuable Bianchi in the world but once cleaned up it is pretty fun to ride. It will be held in stock as a bike for visitiors for a while.
This Milwaukee Sawzall seems to be in a pretty sorry state, missing the rubber grip and the foot and the cord is pretty wrecked. It does work though and will be archived for parts usage or some other nefarious project.
A large plastic bucket full of various things. A lot of it was junk but in there were some useful plumbing fittings and some solder and plumbers' sandpaper. These will be filed in the appropriate places for when they might be needed.
1800 or so collated nails. If you have a gun that shoots these you are probably welcome to them.
These two kids trailing bikes showed up a while ago but we only recently got around to looking at them. The Trek one was missing the seat and had a bent crank, both now rectified. The Tag-a-long was fine as is.
This Maclaren pushchair was pretty dirty. The aforementioned pressure washer was used to clean it up a little and soon it will appear on the list of craig to seek its fortune.
The rear wheels were very worn, a common issue with these devices. They were replaced with some matching used ones from stock. and it is now in very good condition.
These two beach chairs are of the reclining variety and also happen to be brand new with the plastic still in place. They will be deployed at some stage ina sandy environment.
This Vista Sophisticate bike is far from sophisticated but seems fine after a clean up and a few new parts. Just needs a new shifter cable before it is sent to seek its fortune among the hipsters.
This random pressure washer (presumably 1600 psi?) works fine and comes with two different nozzles. No apparent reason for discard. We used it, slightly gratuitously, in the cleaneing of the Vista bike.
Extra Dell laptop power supplies are always handy for testing random laptops.
This small selection of Calphalon cookware will be sorted out and dealt with appropriately. We seem to have a surplus so if you know what's up and want to partake please enquire.
We have several of these but always like to give them to friends so we picked this one up and gave it a test drive, as shown in the pic.
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